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		<title>By: Hurwitz&#8217;s Theorem on Automorphisms &#171; Rigorous Trivialities</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hurwitz&#8217;s Theorem on Automorphisms &#171; Rigorous Trivialities</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 15:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] details of this have been done better than I could do them elsewhere, so I&#8217;ll just link to Lieven le Bruyn and Marni Dee [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] details of this have been done better than I could do them elsewhere, so I&#8217;ll just link to Lieven le Bruyn and Marni Dee [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Moskovich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel Moskovich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:28:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Whoa!!! This is really cool!
There&#039;s got to be an amazing story behind this... it&#039;s got to be tremendously fun to do this kind of research!!&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoa!!! This is really cool!<br />
There&#8217;s got to be an amazing story behind this&#8230; it&#8217;s got to be tremendously fun to do this kind of research!!</p>
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		<title>By: lieven</title>
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		<dc:creator>lieven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 06:15:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@mark : yes, i borrowed the monster-picture from Verrill&#039;s old monster-page and acknowledged this &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.neverendingbooks.org/index.php/capita-selecta.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;four years ago&lt;/a&gt;. You&#039;re right, the page seems to have disappeared (at least the links in that post no longer work...)&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@mark : yes, i borrowed the monster-picture from Verrill&#8217;s old monster-page and acknowledged this <a href="http://www.neverendingbooks.org/index.php/capita-selecta.html" rel="nofollow">four years ago</a>. You&#8217;re right, the page seems to have disappeared (at least the links in that post no longer work&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: mark a. thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>mark a. thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 04:27:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Noticed the reference. I wonder what ever happened to Helena Verrill&#039;s wonderful Monster page?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Noticed the reference. I wonder what ever happened to Helena Verrill&#8217;s wonderful Monster page?</p>
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		<title>By: javier</title>
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		<dc:creator>javier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 08:25:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;That was really a fine piece of math... Thanks for sharing it!&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That was really a fine piece of math&#8230; Thanks for sharing it!</p>
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		<title>By: lieven</title>
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		<dc:creator>lieven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 07:33:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@Jonathan,&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;in the paper by Wilson linked to in the post there is this table of info on the sporadic groups&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;center&gt;
&lt;img src=&quot;http://www.neverendingbooks.org/DATA/sporadicHurwitz.jpg&quot;&gt;
&lt;/center&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;For the 12 cases with (2,3,7)-generators one can play the same game as above, that is, there is a tiling of the curve with #G/7 heptagons, meeting in triples, and its genus g satisfies 84(g-1)=#G.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The dessin is just the Cayley graph for the group G wrt. the order 2 and 3 generators. For most other sporadics there are generators of order 2 and 3 so they also have an associated dessin and curve but it is a lot harder to say something about the genus of those...&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jonathan,</p>
<p>in the paper by Wilson linked to in the post there is this table of info on the sporadic groups</p>
<p><center><br />
<img src="http://www.neverendingbooks.org/DATA/sporadicHurwitz.jpg"/><br />
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<p>For the 12 cases with (2,3,7)-generators one can play the same game as above, that is, there is a tiling of the curve with #G/7 heptagons, meeting in triples, and its genus g satisfies 84(g-1)=#G.</p>
<p>The dessin is just the Cayley graph for the group G wrt. the order 2 and 3 generators. For most other sporadics there are generators of order 2 and 3 so they also have an associated dessin and curve but it is a lot harder to say something about the genus of those&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Kea</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 01:14:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Such a cute monster! Oh, now we can play around with a group algebra version of a PSL(2,Z) trinity, in the monster!&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Such a cute monster! Oh, now we can play around with a group algebra version of a PSL(2,Z) trinity, in the monster!</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Vos Post</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan Vos Post</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 23:08:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;This is wonderful!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The order of the Monster has no reason but convention to be written in base 10.  In base 7, for example, it is:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;4431342225625260560256532232030236515450064652421143534121000000&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In base 11 it is:
6291662405214765809949462152A63928802964363717906600&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;and in base 13:
2986240A341C4104C6A3418BB961286CCB150892CAA682000&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;and in hex:
86FA3F510644E13FDC4C5673C27C78C31400000000000&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Since 2 and 13 divide it, we could get a pure alphabetic representation modulo 26.  Or, since 2 and 3 divide it with sufficiently high powers, we could have a modulo 36 representation with all arabic digits and where A=10, B=11, ..., Z=26.  Sadly, neither of these spells &quot;MONSTER&quot; or &quot;FAFNIR&quot; or &quot;HURWITZ&quot; any more than the digits of pi draw a circle, as Carl Sagan suggested in his one novel.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Can you summarize what we know of the Reimann surfaces from the sporadic groups in between the Klein quartic and the empire of the monster?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is wonderful!</p>
<p>The order of the Monster has no reason but convention to be written in base 10.  In base 7, for example, it is:</p>
<p>4431342225625260560256532232030236515450064652421143534121000000</p>
<p>In base 11 it is:<br />
6291662405214765809949462152A63928802964363717906600</p>
<p>and in base 13:<br />
2986240A341C4104C6A3418BB961286CCB150892CAA682000</p>
<p>and in hex:<br />
86FA3F510644E13FDC4C5673C27C78C31400000000000</p>
<p>Since 2 and 13 divide it, we could get a pure alphabetic representation modulo 26.  Or, since 2 and 3 divide it with sufficiently high powers, we could have a modulo 36 representation with all arabic digits and where A=10, B=11, &#8230;, Z=26.  Sadly, neither of these spells &#8220;MONSTER&#8221; or &#8220;FAFNIR&#8221; or &#8220;HURWITZ&#8221; any more than the digits of pi draw a circle, as Carl Sagan suggested in his one novel.</p>
<p>Can you summarize what we know of the Reimann surfaces from the sporadic groups in between the Klein quartic and the empire of the monster?</p>
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