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		<dc:creator>Farey symbols of sporadic groups &#124; neverendingbooks</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] groups turned out to be part of a (conjecturally) infinite sequence of simple groups, starting as follows [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I looked in the ATLAS, and for some of the simple groups the dimension of the smallest nontrivial permutation representation is huge.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;FYI: I also found a reference (R. A. Wilson, Standard generators for the sporadic simple groups, J. Algebra 184 (1996) 505-515.) that says that all the sporadics can be generated by an element of order 2 and an element of order 3, &lt;em&gt;except&lt;/em&gt; M&lt;em&gt;{11}, M&lt;/em&gt;{22}, M_{23}, and McL (A. J. Woldar, On Hurwitz generation and genus actions of sporadic groups, Illinois J. Math. 33 (1989) 416-437).&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I looked in the ATLAS, and for some of the simple groups the dimension of the smallest nontrivial permutation representation is huge.</p>
<p>FYI: I also found a reference (R. A. Wilson, Standard generators for the sporadic simple groups, J. Algebra 184 (1996) 505-515.) that says that all the sporadics can be generated by an element of order 2 and an element of order 3, <em>except</em> M<em>{11}, M</em>{22}, M_{23}, and McL (A. J. Woldar, On Hurwitz generation and genus actions of sporadic groups, Illinois J. Math. 33 (1989) 416-437).</p>
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		<title>By: lieven</title>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Here is the little I know about standard generators for the sporadics&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;img src=&quot;../DATA/gensporadics.jpg&quot; align=center&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;But one also needs a permutation representation of moderate dimension, so the next testcase is J2 with its 100-dml permutation rep. Ive done some preliminary calculations and may post on it later.&lt;/p&gt;
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<p><img src="../DATA/gensporadics.jpg" align=center/></p>
<p>But one also needs a permutation representation of moderate dimension, so the next testcase is J2 with its 100-dml permutation rep. Ive done some preliminary calculations and may post on it later.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 18:30:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Is every sporadic finite simple group a quotient of PSL_2(Z)?  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I seem to recall reading the result that every finite simple group can be generated by two elements.  Since PSL_2(Z) is isomorphic to the free product of Z/2 and Z/3, I wonder if every &lt;em&gt;sporadic&lt;/em&gt; finite simple group can be generated by an element of order 2 and an element of order 3?  (The result seems a bit unlikely for &lt;em&gt;all&lt;/em&gt; finite simple groups, but maybe it holds for the sporadic ones and for one of the infinite families?)&lt;/p&gt;
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<p>I seem to recall reading the result that every finite simple group can be generated by two elements.  Since PSL_2(Z) is isomorphic to the free product of Z/2 and Z/3, I wonder if every <em>sporadic</em> finite simple group can be generated by an element of order 2 and an element of order 3?  (The result seems a bit unlikely for <em>all</em> finite simple groups, but maybe it holds for the sporadic ones and for one of the infinite families?)</p>
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